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Post by Maniac on Sept 15, 2012 23:27:16 GMT -6
I mean, Chief Justice Roberts is only the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.
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Post by Maniac on Sept 15, 2012 23:27:52 GMT -6
The constitutionality of Obamacare is another 'rallying' point for Republicans. Nothing more. Ok what is "ROMNEY HATES THE MIDDLE CLASS!!!!" It's a 'rallying' point for Democrats.
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Post by Maniac on Sept 15, 2012 23:28:27 GMT -6
I don't think Mitt Romney 'hates' the middle class. I think he's out of touch with the middle class.
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Post by svedda on Sept 15, 2012 23:28:50 GMT -6
Ok what is "ROMNEY HATES THE MIDDLE CLASS!!!!" It's a 'rallying' point for Democrats. Then why do you only attack the republican rallying point if democrats do the same?
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Post by Maniac on Sept 15, 2012 23:29:20 GMT -6
Obama manipulated the people of this country by preying on the most crucial human instinct: to hope. That one word alone is so powerful for people searching for anything, especially in an age where religion is dying and people are looking for a new form of hope. Manipulated his people just to push an unconstitutional tax upon them. Yeah. I'm sure those 50+ million uninsured are just really pissed that Obama manipulated them into having health insurance.
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Post by Maniac on Sept 15, 2012 23:29:47 GMT -6
It's a 'rallying' point for Democrats. Then why do you only attack the republican rallying point if democrats do the same? Because nobody here was talking about Mitt Romney and the middle class.
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Post by svedda on Sept 15, 2012 23:30:43 GMT -6
Obama manipulated the people of this country by preying on the most crucial human instinct: to hope. That one word alone is so powerful for people searching for anything, especially in an age where religion is dying and people are looking for a new form of hope. Manipulated his people just to push an unconstitutional tax upon them. Yeah. I'm sure those 50+ million uninsured are just really pissed that Obama manipulated them into having health insurance. Some may not want it. Forcing people to do something is pretty unconstitutional at least in the opinion of common sense.
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Post by Maniac on Sept 15, 2012 23:31:15 GMT -6
I'm intelligent enough to see through vague and entirely useless political buzz points.
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Post by Maniac on Sept 15, 2012 23:32:58 GMT -6
Yeah. I'm sure those 50+ million uninsured are just really pissed that Obama manipulated them into having health insurance. Some may not want it. Forcing people to do something is pretty unconstitutional at least in the opinion of common sense. You mean like Mitt Romney did?
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Post by rbx on Sept 15, 2012 23:36:45 GMT -6
Please tell me how it ISN'T unconstitutional. that's my real concern right now. ideology aside, let's talk constitution (which imo obama has no interest in) Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts: “For most Americans the amount due will be far less than the price of insurance, and, by statute, it can never be more.” Chief Justice Roberts is no liberal. But he upheld almost every single part of the Obama health care law, and wrote the majority opinion himself. that has nothing to do with whether or not it's a tax, whether or not the federal government even has a place in health care, or whether or not obamacare gives preferential treatment to certain businesses/industries. “For most Americans the amount due will be far less than the price of insurance, and, by statute, it can never be more.” as far as that's concerned... the "for most" immediately tells us it doesn't work for everyone..someone is subject to a tax they aren't constitutionally forced to pay. he fails to say anything about what the amount due will be in the future once the lack of cost control takes effect and an MRI costs more than it costs to keep the lights on at a hospital.
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Post by svedda on Sept 15, 2012 23:37:01 GMT -6
Then why do you only attack the republican rallying point if democrats do the same? Because nobody here was talking about Mitt Romney and the middle class. That's just a rally point, but saying something like 'Obama killed Osama!' is not. Ok. We're acting like he did anything Bush or McCain would not have. Picking and choosing.
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Post by svedda on Sept 15, 2012 23:37:33 GMT -6
Really tho I'm done now. Enough free posts for the night.
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Post by Maniac on Sept 15, 2012 23:40:08 GMT -6
Because nobody here was talking about Mitt Romney and the middle class. That's just a rally point, but saying something like 'Obama killed Osama!' is not. Ok. We're acting like he did anything Bush or McCain would not have. Picking and choosing. Of course it's a rallying point for Obama. But it's also true. Saying that Mitt Romney hates the middle class isn't really true. Saying that Obamacare is unconstitutional isn't really true.
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Post by Maniac on Sept 15, 2012 23:40:33 GMT -6
Some may not want it. Forcing people to do something is pretty unconstitutional at least in the opinion of common sense. You mean like Mitt Romney did?
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Post by rbx on Sept 15, 2012 23:40:50 GMT -6
Obama manipulated the people of this country by preying on the most crucial human instinct: to hope. That one word alone is so powerful for people searching for anything, especially in an age where religion is dying and people are looking for a new form of hope. Manipulated his people just to push an unconstitutional tax upon them. Yeah. I'm sure those 50+ million uninsured are just really pissed that Obama manipulated them into having health insurance. There's better and more direct solutions than an entire re-structuring of the health care system. Of the uninsured, there's 1) those who don't care to purchase it, 2) those who can't afford it because they don't have a job and 3) those who can't afford it because it costs too much for them. there's no way to fix the first group. that's their personal choice, this just forces into paying for something they dont want. how do you fix the second group? create jobs, which was the single-biggest issue before the election. if they still don't get jobs, that's their fault. spending trillions more dollars than any president ever doesn't help the third group in any way.
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Post by rbx on Sept 15, 2012 23:44:20 GMT -6
anyways, that was fun for a bit. gonna go back to reading other things. i've poisoned my mind with nonsense.
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Post by trapstar23 on Sept 15, 2012 23:45:26 GMT -6
Honestly Obama policy is failed financial policy and food stamps what have he actually done to try and change this situation. He's just simply misleading everyone in an attempt to get votes.
How is the affordable care act good? This just adds to the list of things we will not be able to afford/maintain. Not to mention everything the government does costs alot more and provides less service than a private company could do. I strongly believe this will ruin the system and water down the quality of the health care since its now a government mandate.
Obama has violated the constitution many times. Obviously you have the right to disagree with the constitution but wrongly a executive order unconstitutionally is a huge negative. The executive branch should be enforcing the laws not finding loopholes which should not even be allowed. Obama's move on immigration to name one. He cleary signed a unconstitutional ndaa which doesn't need much more explanation.
His foreign policy is nothing to be praised. He greatly increased the war that was going on in Afghanistan, started new campaigns in Libya, currently using Drones in Paki and Yemen although no feet are planted. His foreign policy is nothing to be praised.
BTW I really fail to see how killing Osama Bin Laden is even relevant when your approval rating is looking low at the moment (that moment) and your information team or whatever it be tell's you they have just found Osama all he has to do is give the Order and the rest is done by the military. Please tell me what possibly he could of happened other that that situation.
Ok lets bash the Senate Gop but the Dems in there with the majority cant even pass a budget which is required by law every year. Last time a budget been passed is when? three years ago i recall.
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Post by Maniac on Sept 15, 2012 23:47:02 GMT -6
ObamaCare isn't big government trying to rape the American public. The government isn't going to come knocking on your door if you fail to get insurance/pay the tax fee.
A law is in place that prohibits the IRS from criminally prosecuting anyone that refuses to pay the tax nor can they seize any property. The IRS cannot file a tax lien or levy bank accounts.
It's affordable healthcare. It's not evil.
It is also, of course, largely structured in a similar fashion to RomneyCare.
ObamaCare is through private insurers. Not government insurers. And, of course, it is constitutional.
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Post by Maniac on Sept 15, 2012 23:48:15 GMT -6
Holy fuck. They're coming out of the woodwork.
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Post by Maniac on Sept 15, 2012 23:48:55 GMT -6
Thanks for italicizing that though. Really sent home your points.
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Post by trapstar23 on Sept 15, 2012 23:50:07 GMT -6
Chief Justice Roberts? The man personally called the ACA a penalty a tax but still voted in Favor. Which makes no sense at all.
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Post by trapstar23 on Sept 15, 2012 23:50:49 GMT -6
Thanks for italicizing that though. Really sent home your points. nah all of my posts are like that
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Post by Maniac on Sept 15, 2012 23:51:07 GMT -6
Who the fuck are you??
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Post by Play34 on Sept 15, 2012 23:54:14 GMT -6
trapstar won't be getting a team here.
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Post by rbx on Sept 15, 2012 23:55:38 GMT -6
ObamaCare isn't big government trying to rape the American public. The government isn't going to come knocking on your door if you fail to get insurance/pay the tax fee. A law is in place that prohibits the IRS from criminally prosecuting anyone that refuses to pay the tax nor can they seize any property. The IRS cannot file a tax lien or levy bank accounts. It's affordable healthcare. It's not evil. It is also, of course, largely structured in a similar fashion to RomneyCare. ObamaCare is through private insurers. Not government insurers. And, of course, it is constitutional. if Obamacare is through private insurers...then it's giving preferential treatment to those insureres....yet its consitutional? I fail to see how that works.
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Post by trapstar23 on Sept 15, 2012 23:58:34 GMT -6
trapstar won't be getting a team here. i'll live but that's pretty immature lmao <.<
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Post by Maniac on Sept 16, 2012 0:04:30 GMT -6
ObamaCare isn't big government trying to rape the American public. The government isn't going to come knocking on your door if you fail to get insurance/pay the tax fee. A law is in place that prohibits the IRS from criminally prosecuting anyone that refuses to pay the tax nor can they seize any property. The IRS cannot file a tax lien or levy bank accounts. It's affordable healthcare. It's not evil. It is also, of course, largely structured in a similar fashion to RomneyCare. ObamaCare is through private insurers. Not government insurers. And, of course, it is constitutional. if Obamacare is through private insurers...then it's giving preferential treatment to those insureres....yet its consitutional? I fail to see how that works. It doesn't give preferential treatment to any insurers. You're just telling yourself that. Listen, here's the big-time bottom line of this all: if Obamacare were unconstitutional, IT WOULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. It wouldn't exist right now.
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Post by Maniac on Sept 16, 2012 0:05:06 GMT -6
I'm going to sleep. My freedom, America hating minority self has a long day of tailgating and Heinz Field ahead of me tomorrow.
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Post by rbx on Sept 16, 2012 0:17:46 GMT -6
i mean its well documented that obama did everything in his power to force Roberts to change his opinion
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Post by tmaczdaddy on Sept 16, 2012 1:57:48 GMT -6
Children of Hurin
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