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Post by Broph on Aug 14, 2013 20:12:13 GMT -6
Centers
Manuel Rocha C 6'11'' 220 21 B- C- B C+ C+ A
Rocha is an interesting prospect. Primarily a PG til a late growth spurt in high school, he still has outstanding court vision, but is too large and clumsy to run the point. His transition into a Center has been….mixed. He doesn’t really excell at anything, a bit slow on his feet, solid jump shot, but a bit weak, decent shot blocker, decent rebounder, and at best an average post defender. On the other hand, he is still adapting to the Center position, having been recruited to North Carolina as a large PG, but continued to grow. Scouts feel there is a lot of upside, but also a lot of growth needed. Bit of a risk to take too high.
Dalton Pickett C 7'0'' 245 20 D- A- C A- A- B
Pickett is the exact opposite of Rocha, no risk at all in picking him, because you know exactly what you are going to get. Throughout his career he has made it clear he does not want to play inside, and it will not change at the next level, now as much because he doesn’t have any sort of skill down low. He is extremely quick for his size, an excellent post defender and good shot blocker, and a really nice rebounder. Weak for a Center, but that’s not shocking considering he spends his time shooting instead of the weight room. Absolutely no hope he ever develops an inside game. Oh, and he cant jump either. May only start at PF/C, may only backup at PF/C
Easton Dixon C 6'10'' 265 20 B C- C- C+ C+ B
Overshadowed playing next to Jaime Carr, scouts feel Dixon was extremely hindered by being in Carr’s presence, and don’t see him with the same enthusiasm as they once did. He’s a solid athlete, decent post defender, good jump shot and a solid set of post moves, but not a big time shot blocker, a bit underwhelming on the strength end, and just decent on the glass. Really nothing stands out about his game, and scouts project him as a career backup at this point.
Leland Buckner C 7'2'' 210 22 C D- D+ A+ C B
Don’t sleep on Buckner, while he is not much of anything outside a defender, he is a special defender. Blocks, Steals, Post D, he is superb at all three. Outside that though, the man is lost. Do not let him anywhere near the ball on the offensive end, extremely weak, and a poor rebounder. Solid upside, but still likely a backup without significant work toward his rebounding. |
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Post by Broph on Aug 14, 2013 20:35:40 GMT -6
Power Forwards
Quincy Wilder PF 6'7'' 235 19 A- C- C C C A
Don’t be shocked if you see Wilder go #1, in a fairly weak draft up top, he’s the best chance at finding a star. Amazing athlete, extremely quick, can jump through the roof, and a pretty good low post scorer as well. Takes excellent care of the ball, just a serviceable jump shot, and a pretty poor defender, shot blocking capability in the future is doubtful. Mediocre at best rebounder, and a bit underwhelming on strength…all sounds poor, but what he is is young, with great potential, and athleticism, plus a promising inside game…all that adds up to what you like outta an early pick, especially in this draft.
Nikolai Atkinson PF 7'0'' 286 20 C+ D D+ B- C+ A
A large question mark out of Miami, Atkinson should have all the promise in the world, but couldn’t put things together in two years in South Beach. Nice timing on his shot blocking, shows promise there, and smart with the ball, good strength too, but outside that, everything is just kinda…ehh? Scouts aren’t sure what to think.
Eddie Lancaster PF 6'9'' 235 19 C+ C- C+ A- C+ A
Lancaster isn’t a likely #1 pick, but should be a long term contributer to whoever drafts him, as he is quite the nice defender. Quick hands, steals really well, and with some training on his timing, could become an elite shot blocker as well, as it stands, just pretty good. Quick, pretty smart with the ball and knows where to be on defense. Average rebounder, but should improve in time. Inside game is average, not the strongest player, and that may cause him to drop, but scouts like his potential, and being 19, well, you never know, every chance he could just click at some point.
Kyler Lowery PF 6'10'' 260 22 C C C B B- B
Lowery is what you expect him to be, likely a long term backup who provides solid defense and serviceable rebounding off the bench. Pretty good jump shot, takes care of the ball, but occasionally decides to fire the three too. Nothing really special about his game, solid upside, but nothing elite here.
Jamie Carr PF 6'10'' 244 19 B- C+ C C A- C
Carr is a headcase, so much so, that many Scouts have put him on the DO NOT TOUCH list in scouting him. This isn’t your standard case of a bad attitude, rumors have him starting fights in the locker-room, including one such fight that resulted in a broken wrist for Carr, right around the same time a teammate going out for two months with a broken jaw. Somehow he avoided police involvement on that, but he’s been charged in multiple assaults, somehow getting off on each one with seemingly a slap on the wrist and a short suspension. Oh, and he failed out of Kentucky, and there is an ongoing investigation into whether Carr took payments from an agent before even attending Kentucky. Outside that though Carr is a talented player who would be a top five pick if he ever found the work ethic to make something of himself. The Locker room cancer is not the greatest athlete, but has a solid jump shot, good strength, and nice post moves. His defense is mediocre all around, struggles with fouls. Good rebounder. Definitely a case of buyer beware though, talented, but very very volatile. |
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Post by Broph on Aug 14, 2013 20:46:21 GMT -6
Small Forwards
Mario Stein SF 6'6'' 250 20 C+ B C- B D+ A
Stein can only start at SF. Stein is a talented player, but would be so much better if he would just rebound. Strong enough that he should be capable of muscling his way to boards, though a bit slow, he refuses. Nice jump shot and three point shot, shows the ability to create for himself, and is a very nice positional defender. Not a shot blocker nor much of a steals guy. Scouts like his potential, even if his size (250 pounds as an SF), prevents him from ever playing SG.
Brenton Yang SF 6'6'' 205 19 B- C C B+ C A
Yang is a big time boom bust prospect. Scouts really didn’t get to see much of him in that plodding Wisconisn offense, and he really seemed to be missing, but he showed a few times flashes of scoring ability to go with a pretty solid defensive game. Good at stealing the ball, nice rebounder, quick, and a real nice jump shot, but his range is questionable. Solid athlete overall. Probably coulda used more time in college, however, hes still young.
De'Angelo Carrera SF 6'6'' 235 22 C B C A- B- A
Carrera is more of a stretch four forced to play the 3 due to size. Slow, but a really good defender, steals, perimeter and post. Also a great rebounder, with a good outside shot. Extremely strong, but slow, and really cant get to the hoop at all. Good upside, should be a great Outside offense type SF, but probably not an option. ONLY SF/PF Allowed to start
Tyrone Soto SF 6'8'' 228 22 C A- C A+ C C
This draft is loaded with SF’s who can defend their position excellently, and Soto follows those lines. You can safely play him at SF, SG without worrying about his ability to play D. Great outside shooter, takes care of the ball, quick, and strong. Not going to look for his own shot, and a poor rebounder for an SF. Should be an excellent role player as well, though really very little upside. |
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Post by Broph on Aug 14, 2013 20:46:45 GMT -6
Shooting Guards
Keshawn Weber SG 5'8'' 195 19 C A C B+ D+ B
Its too bad Weber never learned to play PG, cause he would be a nightmare there…not strength to spe3ak of, doesn’t score inside, and is so overmatched in size its hilarious, but don’t sleep on his defensive ability, he is an excellent perimeter defender, and a pest in the passing lanes with great anticipation. Superb shooter from outside. Upside is limited.
Jerry Howard SG 6'5'' 218 21 C+ C- D- A- C B
This song is getting old, but great positional defender, but unlike the others, Howard is a terrible shooter. Good rebounder, great steals, no offense to speak of, and just solid upside makes him a long term backup.
Matias Mack SG 6'6'' 201 19 C B C+ C+ C B
Mack is a bit sloppy, but shows some promise, at just 19, likely declared too early, but has a solid outside shot, is a nice passer, steals well and is a good rebounder. Not the best athlete, scores inside ok, fairly quick. Question mark is his upside.
Nicolas Francois SG 6'9'' 211 19 C+ C+ B- C C B
Boom bust coming over from France, Francois is the jack of all trades, master of none. Does nothing above average, and nothing you would expect out of a SG is really sub par. Risk for sure, but really, if everything needs improvement, you could see big gains early if he puts it together. |
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Post by Broph on Aug 14, 2013 20:47:15 GMT -6
Point Guards
Brandon Roy Jr. PG 6'4'' 218 20 B- B- B C+ C A
Roy is a lot like his father, but didn’t grow quite as tall, and as such, makes for a better PG prospect than his father, who couldn’t handle those duties full time. Don’t think he is without issues though, he can score pretty well inside, has a nice three point shot, and is a very nice rebounder for a PG, but there are worries about his handles at the next level, and whether they will force him to be a SG long term, which would significantly hurt his stock. Not much of a defender anywhere, and while there haven’t been any red flags raised about his knees yet, considering his father you do have to worry some. All of this and yet, considering his talent, its hard not to consider him for the number one overall pick.
Alan Long PG 6'5'' 190 21 C C+ B B+ D+ A
Long has the same handles concerns as Roy Jr., but is a much better defender, with an improving outside game. Not a great athlete at all, but his size really helps him, and he has shown really nice potential to grow long term, after coming out of a small school, just focusing on his scoring the last year after transferring from Duke following his freshman year really improved his stock, but whether he can become a scorer is still questionable.
Aleksy Coleman PG 5'9'' 180 19 C+ C+ B C D B
Coleman has a nice jump shot, but struggles with his handles, getting a bit sloppy with the ball. Despite being 5’9, he is not all that quick, and is an explosive jumper. Mediocre defender, poor rebounder, not that promising really.
Ari Marks PG 5'10'' 164 18 C C+ C+ C+ D+ B
Marks at just 18 does not scream huge potential, but he is so young, you just never know. Handles are in the same general range as the guys above, nothing really different there, solid athlete, not spectacular though. Real raw really, that’s the key, and its entirely possible he explodes, but right now scouts certainly wouldn’t lean that way.
Salvatore Lucas PG 6'1'' 205 21 A- C- A A- D- C
Lucas is another potential number 1, but he is definitely flawed. Excellent ability to get inside, takes care of the ball, superb perimeter defender and stealer, sets up teammates well, and outstanding athletically. The negatives are,outside game is terrible, jump shot is pretty mediocre for a big, much less a PG, and he has 0 three point ability…and he is a terrible rebounder. Not to mention, he really doesn’t have a ton of upside. |
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Post by ilovebball on Aug 14, 2013 20:58:22 GMT -6
Matias Mack
Lel I thought that said Mattress Mack at first (famous Houston guy who owns a major furniture store called Gallery Furniture)
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Post by Broph on Aug 14, 2013 21:03:51 GMT -6
Notes done, post people, post
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Post by sagapolutele50 on Aug 14, 2013 21:33:51 GMT -6
Pickett cant shoot inside and cant jump, that D- must be all strength lol
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Post by iflip on Aug 14, 2013 22:44:34 GMT -6
Quincy Wilder notes have made him very interesting.
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Post by iflip on Aug 14, 2013 22:45:12 GMT -6
Picketts notes are worrysome. lol
basically 0 jumping and 0 inside. lol
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Post by tmaczdaddy on Aug 14, 2013 23:44:38 GMT -6
I don't mind that salvatore has 0 3pt shot. Worked fine for Nathans. The jumper will hurt though
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Post by tmaczdaddy on Aug 14, 2013 23:48:00 GMT -6
Tyrone Soto looks awesome . Would love to run an outside focused offense and have him on my tram
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Post by tmaczdaddy on Aug 14, 2013 23:49:40 GMT -6
Will be interesting to see where Jamie Carr falls... Will losing teams risk a lottery pick on a guy that may not even play??
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Post by tmaczdaddy on Aug 14, 2013 23:52:32 GMT -6
Wish I had a late lotto pick. Think there are a few guys that will drop farther than they should... Or is it further...
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Post by tmaczdaddy on Aug 15, 2013 0:07:07 GMT -6
Picketts notes are worrysome. lol basically 0 jumping and 0 inside. lol Nothing wrong with 0 jumping. Think he would make a great super-backup. |
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Post by wontonsoup on Aug 15, 2013 0:17:31 GMT -6
Shit draft.
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Post by greeme on Aug 15, 2013 0:18:11 GMT -6
just at the top, good draft for late lottos imo |
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Post by greeme on Aug 15, 2013 0:19:38 GMT -6
Will be interesting to see where Jamie Carr falls... Will losing teams risk a lottery pick on a guy that may not even play?? or have some weird stip that damages other guys i'm thinking that I might see him at #12 |
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Post by greeme on Aug 15, 2013 0:21:30 GMT -6
I have my top 12 figured out
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Post by greeme on Aug 15, 2013 0:22:42 GMT -6
we should be solid in a couple years from now just from tc progression
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Post by greeme on Aug 15, 2013 0:23:04 GMT -6
of course I am impatient and will mess it up
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Post by greeme on Aug 15, 2013 0:25:10 GMT -6
newton/prince/??/miles/??
at 12 I should get carerra/carr/buckner which should plug up 1 of those holes
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Post by wontonsoup on Aug 15, 2013 0:27:28 GMT -6
Still not sure how Broph's changing scouted ratings is going to affect the draft.
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Post by greeme on Aug 15, 2013 0:27:51 GMT -6
top of the draft is a mess.
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Post by tmaczdaddy on Aug 15, 2013 0:28:36 GMT -6
Still not sure how Broph's changing scouted ratings is going to affect the draft. I'm failing to comprehend this also |
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Post by greeme on Aug 15, 2013 0:28:46 GMT -6
Still not sure how Broph's changing scouted ratings is going to affect the draft. there might be guys that he didn't mention their upside and look now like they have low upside but change to an A after the upload |
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Post by greeme on Aug 15, 2013 0:29:06 GMT -6
Still not sure how Broph's changing scouted ratings is going to affect the draft. I'm failing to comprehend this also smh |
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Post by ilovebball on Aug 15, 2013 0:32:52 GMT -6
Picketts notes are worrysome. lol basically 0 jumping and 0 inside. lol Nothing wrong with 0 jumping. Think he would make a great super-backup. A lot wrong with NO inside. Hes basically a Matt Bonner. Well with boards/defense lol. |
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Post by ilovebball on Aug 15, 2013 0:35:37 GMT -6
Kyler Lowery
Lol at the name
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Post by greeme on Aug 15, 2013 0:36:03 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with 0 jumping. Think he would make a great super-backup. A lot wrong with NO inside. Hes basically a Matt Bonner. Well with boards/defense lol. he has boards/defense and he wont hurt you offensively |
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